DTC P1659: ETCS Control Relay OFF Malfunction

NOTE: Before you troubleshoot, record all freeze data and any on-board snapshot, and review the general troubleshooting information (see GENERAL TROUBLESHOOTING INFORMATION ).

Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
Clear the DTC with the HDS.
Check for Pending or Confirmed DTCs with the HDS.
Is DTC P1659 indicated?

YES -Go to step 4.

NO -Intermittent failure, the system is OK at this time. Check for poor connections or loose terminals at the ETCS control relay and the PCM.
Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0).
Check the No. 1 ETCS (15 A) fuse in the driver's under-dash fuse/relay box.
Is the fuse OK?

YES -Go to step 6.

NO -Go to step 17 17.
Remove the ETCS control relay (A) from the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box.

Fig 1: Removing Etcs Control Relay From Passenger's Under-Dash Fuse/Relay Box
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Test the ETCS control relay (see POWER RELAY TEST ).
Is the ETCS control relay OK?

YES -Go to step 8.

NO -Replace the ETCS control relay, then go to step 23 23.
Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
Measure the voltage between ETCS control relay 4P connector terminal No. 4 and body ground.

Fig 2: Measuring Voltage Between ETCS Control Relay 4P Connector Terminal No. 4 And Body Ground
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Is there battery voltage?

YES -Go to step 10.

NO -Repair an open in the wire between the driver's under-dash fuse/relay box and the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box. If the wire is OK, replace the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box (see PASSENGER'S UNDER-DASH FUSE/RELAY BOX REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION ), then go to step 22 22.
Measure the voltage between ETCS control relay 4P connector terminal No. 1 and body ground.

Fig 3: Measuring Voltage Between ETCS Control Relay 4P Connector Terminal No. 1 And Body Ground
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Is there battery voltage?

YES -Go to step 11.

NO -Repair an open in the wire between the driver's under-dash fuse/relay box and the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box. If the wire is OK, replace the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box (see PASSENGER'S UNDER-DASH FUSE/RELAY BOX REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION ), then go to step 22 22.
Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0).
Jump the SCS line with the HDS.
Disconnect PCM connector C (49P).
Check for continuity between ETCS control relay 4P connector terminal No. 2 and PCM connector terminal C4.

Fig 4: Checking Continuity Between ETCS Control Relay 4P Connector Terminal No. 2 And PCM Connector Terminal C4
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Is there continuity?

YES -Go to step 15.

NO -Repair an open in the wire between the PCM (C4) and the ETCS control relay, then go to step 23 23.
Disconnect PCM connector A (49P).
Check for continuity between ETCS control relay 4P connector terminal No. 3 and PCM connector terminal A29.

Fig 5: Checking Continuity Between ETCS Control Relay 4P Connector Terminal No. 3 And PCM Connector Terminal A29
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Is there continuity?

YES -Go to step 28 28.

NO -Repair an open in the wire between the PCM (A29) and the ETCS control relay, then go to step 23 23.
Remove the ETCS control relay (A) from the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box.

Fig 6: Removing ETCS Control Relay From Passenger's Under-Dash Fuse/Relay Box
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Jump the SCS line with the HDS.
Disconnect PCM connector C (49P).
Check for continuity between PCM connector terminal C4 and body ground.

Fig 7: Checking Continuity Between PCM Connector Terminal C4 And Body Ground
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Is there continuity?

YES -Repair a short in the wire between the PCM (C4) and the ETCS control relay. If the wire is OK, replace the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box (see PASSENGER'S UNDER-DASH FUSE/RELAY BOX REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION ), then go to step 23 23.

NO -Go to step 21.
Check for continuity between ETCS control relay 4P connector terminal No. 1 and body ground.

Fig 8: Checking Continuity Between ETCS Control Relay 4P Connector Terminal No. 1 And Body Ground
Courtesy of AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO., INC.

Is there continuity?

YES -Repair a short in the wire between the driver's under-dash fuse/relay box and the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box. If the wire is OK, replace the passenger's under-dash fuse/relay box (see PASSENGER'S UNDER-DASH FUSE/RELAY BOX REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION ), then go to step 23 23.

NO -Go to step 28 28.
Turn the ignition switch to LOCK (0).
Reconnect all connectors.
Turn the ignition switch to ON (II).
Reset the PCM with the HDS.
Do the PCM idle learn procedure (see PCM IDLE LEARN PROCEDURE ).
Check for Pending or Confirmed DTCs with the HDS.
Is DTC P1659 indicated?

YES -Check for poor connections or loose terminals at the ETCS control relay and the PCM, then go to step 1 1.

NO -Troubleshooting is complete. If any other Pending or Confirmed DTCs are indicated, go to the indicated DTC's troubleshooting.
Reconnect all connectors.
Update the PCM if it does not have the latest software (see PCM UPDATE ), or substitute a known-good PCM (see SUBSTITUTING THE PCM ).
Check for Pending or Confirmed DTCs with the HDS.
Is DTC P1659 indicated?

YES -Check for poor connections or loose terminals at the ETCS control relay and the PCM. If the PCM was updated, substitute a known-good PCM (see SUBSTITUTING THE PCM ), then recheck. If the PCM was substituted, go to step 1.

NO -If the PCM was updated, troubleshooting is complete. If the PCM was substituted, replace the original PCM (see PCM REPLACEMENT ). If any other Pending or Confirmed DTCs are indicated, go to the indicated DTC's troubleshooting.